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		<title>Comment on International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers by Why are sex workers&#8217; rights supporters upset with Google? &#171; escorts are for women too</title>
		<link>http://www.safercampus.org/blog/2011/12/international-day-to-end-violence-against-sex-workers/comment-page-1/#comment-70319</link>
		<dc:creator>Why are sex workers&#8217; rights supporters upset with Google? &#171; escorts are for women too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 16:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posted in porn and adult novelty trade magazine XBiz. * The Google campaign was mentioned in International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers on the SAFER Campus blog. * WebProNews publishes Google &#8216;Gives Back&#8217; To Some Dubious NGOs: Sex workers outraged [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] posted in porn and adult novelty trade magazine XBiz. * The Google campaign was mentioned in International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers on the SAFER Campus blog. * WebProNews publishes Google &#8216;Gives Back&#8217; To Some Dubious NGOs: Sex workers outraged [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pastor Who Humilated Raped Girl Removed from University Board by RiverSong</title>
		<link>http://www.safercampus.org/blog/2011/12/pastor-who-humilated-raped-girl-removed-from-university-board/comment-page-1/#comment-70314</link>
		<dc:creator>RiverSong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2011 22:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shame, shame on BJones.  Shame on Phelps - a pastor, no less.   Joy and peace to Tina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shame, shame on BJones.  Shame on Phelps &#8211; a pastor, no less.   Joy and peace to Tina.</p>
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		<title>Comment on International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers by Nora</title>
		<link>http://www.safercampus.org/blog/2011/12/international-day-to-end-violence-against-sex-workers/comment-page-1/#comment-70305</link>
		<dc:creator>Nora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 04:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Emi-

Thanks for your comments and concerns.  I want to be very clear that this is not an area where I have any expertise or familiarity with the organizations involved, which is why I framed my post as raising my conflicting questions and concerns in trying to understand the various perspectives and organizations involved.  

What I know of GEMS is that they serve an urgent need for services for young people who have been sexually abused for someone&#039;s profit, needs that are not being met by existing New York State government services and needs that I would much rather see met through a court diversion program than a juvenile criminal facility.  I cannot speak to any of the concerns you raise, and certainly find them concerning. Looking at their programs from the outside, however, I see their work as positive in comparison to the enormous shortcomings of New York&#039;s current Office for Children and Family Services, some part of which would otherwise most likely be given responsibility for these young people.

The fact is that abused children shouldn&#039;t ever need to be diverted from the criminal justice system, as they should never be treated as if they had committed a crime.  To get to that point, however, will take a concerted and long-term effort to change our laws and the attitudes of our police and prosecutors and to establish widely available, appropriate services for sexually abused children.  I will continue to work to learn more about the strategies activists groups are pursuing to change those laws and attitudes and to create fully safe spaces for all who need them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Emi-</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments and concerns.  I want to be very clear that this is not an area where I have any expertise or familiarity with the organizations involved, which is why I framed my post as raising my conflicting questions and concerns in trying to understand the various perspectives and organizations involved.  </p>
<p>What I know of GEMS is that they serve an urgent need for services for young people who have been sexually abused for someone&#8217;s profit, needs that are not being met by existing New York State government services and needs that I would much rather see met through a court diversion program than a juvenile criminal facility.  I cannot speak to any of the concerns you raise, and certainly find them concerning. Looking at their programs from the outside, however, I see their work as positive in comparison to the enormous shortcomings of New York&#8217;s current Office for Children and Family Services, some part of which would otherwise most likely be given responsibility for these young people.</p>
<p>The fact is that abused children shouldn&#8217;t ever need to be diverted from the criminal justice system, as they should never be treated as if they had committed a crime.  To get to that point, however, will take a concerted and long-term effort to change our laws and the attitudes of our police and prosecutors and to establish widely available, appropriate services for sexually abused children.  I will continue to work to learn more about the strategies activists groups are pursuing to change those laws and attitudes and to create fully safe spaces for all who need them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers by emi koyama</title>
		<link>http://www.safercampus.org/blog/2011/12/international-day-to-end-violence-against-sex-workers/comment-page-1/#comment-70304</link>
		<dc:creator>emi koyama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 03:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nora - thanks for mentioning my article in Bitch.

Re GEMS: I really, really want to like the organization because I believe in the survivor leadership model. I&#039;ve read Rachel Lloyd&#039;s book, seen her speak, and spoke with some folks who have participated in the organization in some way. I value some of the things GEMS does, especially the fact they are able to provide housing to some girls and young women.

But I can&#039;t support an organization whose clients primarily arrive there by court order or through diversion program. I can&#039;t support an organization that refuses to serve transgender girls and young women, or to honor chosen names and identities of female-assigned transgender and gender-variant youth who are forced to be there. I can&#039;t support an organization that displays girls in a documentary film that displays girls who were forced by the court to be there and were not told how their images would be used, or an organization that liberally describes, in a best-selling memoir, personal stories of girls and young women who have been forced to attend its groups without their permission. I can&#039;t support an organization that often starts meetings with a Christian prayer when the participants are court-mandated to be there, and the &quot;service&quot; is funded at least in part by the taxpayers. I can&#039;t support an organization that refuses to make referrals to other services when girls and young women need something they don&#039;t provide themselves.

Human trafficking is characterized by three elements: 1. action such as recruitment, transportation, and receipt; 2. means such as force, fraud or coercion; and 3. purpose such as labor and sexual exploitation. GEMS&#039; reliance on recruitment through criminal justice system and its exploitative use of girls and young women in its media campaigns show eerie similarities to the operation of human trafficking enterprise. Further, GEMS&#039; denial of queer and trans identities among its clients and its refusal to make outside referrals (except for a few handpicked agencies) resemble emotional abuse and isolation tactic commonly used by the traffickers.

That the organization is led by a survivor does not excuse these problems. I know that there are people within GEMS that want to change its culture and make it truly respectful and empowering for girls and young women who need their services, but it has a long way to go. I just hope that people would look deeper into these organizations before praising them based solely on the positive appearance they promote on its website and other materials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nora &#8211; thanks for mentioning my article in Bitch.</p>
<p>Re GEMS: I really, really want to like the organization because I believe in the survivor leadership model. I&#8217;ve read Rachel Lloyd&#8217;s book, seen her speak, and spoke with some folks who have participated in the organization in some way. I value some of the things GEMS does, especially the fact they are able to provide housing to some girls and young women.</p>
<p>But I can&#8217;t support an organization whose clients primarily arrive there by court order or through diversion program. I can&#8217;t support an organization that refuses to serve transgender girls and young women, or to honor chosen names and identities of female-assigned transgender and gender-variant youth who are forced to be there. I can&#8217;t support an organization that displays girls in a documentary film that displays girls who were forced by the court to be there and were not told how their images would be used, or an organization that liberally describes, in a best-selling memoir, personal stories of girls and young women who have been forced to attend its groups without their permission. I can&#8217;t support an organization that often starts meetings with a Christian prayer when the participants are court-mandated to be there, and the &#8220;service&#8221; is funded at least in part by the taxpayers. I can&#8217;t support an organization that refuses to make referrals to other services when girls and young women need something they don&#8217;t provide themselves.</p>
<p>Human trafficking is characterized by three elements: 1. action such as recruitment, transportation, and receipt; 2. means such as force, fraud or coercion; and 3. purpose such as labor and sexual exploitation. GEMS&#8217; reliance on recruitment through criminal justice system and its exploitative use of girls and young women in its media campaigns show eerie similarities to the operation of human trafficking enterprise. Further, GEMS&#8217; denial of queer and trans identities among its clients and its refusal to make outside referrals (except for a few handpicked agencies) resemble emotional abuse and isolation tactic commonly used by the traffickers.</p>
<p>That the organization is led by a survivor does not excuse these problems. I know that there are people within GEMS that want to change its culture and make it truly respectful and empowering for girls and young women who need their services, but it has a long way to go. I just hope that people would look deeper into these organizations before praising them based solely on the positive appearance they promote on its website and other materials.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Disgusting UVM Fraternity Questionnaire Sparks Outrage by KittyWrangler</title>
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		<dc:creator>KittyWrangler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People in this thread are saying there are only two ways to answer-- yes, I&#039;d rape [so &amp; so hot lady], or &quot;no one,&quot; and that the latter is the &quot;correct&quot; answer. But I can think of plenty of responses smart-ass 19-year-old college kids would answer: I&#039;d rape Adolph Hitler, I&#039;d rape [famous serial rapist]. Those would still be &quot;I&#039;m not a rapist, and I have a sense of humor&quot; answers (although I don&#039;t find that funny). I don&#039;t think it is at all clear that this is a trick question to weed out rapists, it is a creativity game using a horrific plague that affects around a million US women each year as a flippant amusing mind-bender for a bunch of privileged college guys. Guys like Bill who express nothing but contempt for women who attend college while presuming themselves to be arbiters of morality and common sense (because they... also go to college?) are exactly the people who are unable to grasp the reality of rape culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People in this thread are saying there are only two ways to answer&#8211; yes, I&#8217;d rape [so &amp; so hot lady], or &#8220;no one,&#8221; and that the latter is the &#8220;correct&#8221; answer. But I can think of plenty of responses smart-ass 19-year-old college kids would answer: I&#8217;d rape Adolph Hitler, I&#8217;d rape [famous serial rapist]. Those would still be &#8220;I&#8217;m not a rapist, and I have a sense of humor&#8221; answers (although I don&#8217;t find that funny). I don&#8217;t think it is at all clear that this is a trick question to weed out rapists, it is a creativity game using a horrific plague that affects around a million US women each year as a flippant amusing mind-bender for a bunch of privileged college guys. Guys like Bill who express nothing but contempt for women who attend college while presuming themselves to be arbiters of morality and common sense (because they&#8230; also go to college?) are exactly the people who are unable to grasp the reality of rape culture.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Disgusting UVM Fraternity Questionnaire Sparks Outrage by overreactive feminist</title>
		<link>http://www.safercampus.org/blog/2011/12/disgusting-uvm-fraternity-questionnaire-sparks-outrage/comment-page-1/#comment-70291</link>
		<dc:creator>overreactive feminist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Bill from dec 14th...
How would YOU have answered the question?
There are really only two logical answers; &quot;no, I would never rape anyone&quot; or &quot;yes, I would rape so-and-so...I mean, Damn it! I&#039;ve been tricked!&quot; 
First of all, this is a ridiculous questionaire because I&#039;m sure that most s.p.e. members would reject this. And if the fraternity was really concerned about weeding out potential rapists, they would take measures to avoid it such as sexual assult seminars, etc. But, I&#039;m just one of those completely irrational feminists. 
I guess, only the privileged and educated are supposed to think that way and the more &quot;worldly women&quot; should accept this narrow way of thinking. 
This kind of idiocy just gives fraternity brothers a bad name. And, no, I definately don&#039;t think that all men are potential rapists at all. 
The point is that the battle-field is in the mind...people need to understand that taking light of rape is the way of thinking that ruins a society that honors higher thinking.
And bill, I really hope that educated women really do make you this nervous...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Bill from dec 14th&#8230;<br />
How would YOU have answered the question?<br />
There are really only two logical answers; &#8220;no, I would never rape anyone&#8221; or &#8220;yes, I would rape so-and-so&#8230;I mean, Damn it! I&#8217;ve been tricked!&#8221;<br />
First of all, this is a ridiculous questionaire because I&#8217;m sure that most s.p.e. members would reject this. And if the fraternity was really concerned about weeding out potential rapists, they would take measures to avoid it such as sexual assult seminars, etc. But, I&#8217;m just one of those completely irrational feminists.<br />
I guess, only the privileged and educated are supposed to think that way and the more &#8220;worldly women&#8221; should accept this narrow way of thinking.<br />
This kind of idiocy just gives fraternity brothers a bad name. And, no, I definately don&#8217;t think that all men are potential rapists at all.<br />
The point is that the battle-field is in the mind&#8230;people need to understand that taking light of rape is the way of thinking that ruins a society that honors higher thinking.<br />
And bill, I really hope that educated women really do make you this nervous&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Disgusting UVM Fraternity Questionnaire Sparks Outrage by Lizzy</title>
		<link>http://www.safercampus.org/blog/2011/12/disgusting-uvm-fraternity-questionnaire-sparks-outrage/comment-page-1/#comment-70290</link>
		<dc:creator>Lizzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truth is is that most of these young men probably are very close to someone has been raped.

It is possible that some of them have actually raped someone.

It is also possible that some of them have been raped themselves.

Considering all of these possibilities (and many more) the question on the survey is abhorrent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth is is that most of these young men probably are very close to someone has been raped.</p>
<p>It is possible that some of them have actually raped someone.</p>
<p>It is also possible that some of them have been raped themselves.</p>
<p>Considering all of these possibilities (and many more) the question on the survey is abhorrent.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Disgusting UVM Fraternity Questionnaire Sparks Outrage by Lizzy</title>
		<link>http://www.safercampus.org/blog/2011/12/disgusting-uvm-fraternity-questionnaire-sparks-outrage/comment-page-1/#comment-70289</link>
		<dc:creator>Lizzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone who is claiming that this is &#039;not so bad&#039;, you should probably check out these statistics.

http://wellcommons.com/groups/trauma/2011/dec/14/survey-1-in-5-us-women-victims-of-sexual/

 Also Bill, to compare joking about rape to joking about mugging is like comparing a joke about robbing a bank to a joke about lynching a black person. Do I make myself clear? Let me: One action has not been used to oppress millions of people, the other has. Got it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone who is claiming that this is &#8216;not so bad&#8217;, you should probably check out these statistics.</p>
<p><a href="http://wellcommons.com/groups/trauma/2011/dec/14/survey-1-in-5-us-women-victims-of-sexual/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/wellcommons.com/groups/trauma/2011/dec/14/survey-1-in-5-us-women-victims-of-sexual/?referer=');">http://wellcommons.com/groups/trauma/2011/dec/14/survey-1-in-5-us-women-victims-of-sexual/</a></p>
<p> Also Bill, to compare joking about rape to joking about mugging is like comparing a joke about robbing a bank to a joke about lynching a black person. Do I make myself clear? Let me: One action has not been used to oppress millions of people, the other has. Got it?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Disgusting UVM Fraternity Questionnaire Sparks Outrage by Robin Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s all good-humored fun, I suggest including another question: &quot;If you were going to be forcibly anally penetrated, who would it be by?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s all good-humored fun, I suggest including another question: &#8220;If you were going to be forcibly anally penetrated, who would it be by?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Disgusting UVM Fraternity Questionnaire Sparks Outrage by Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.safercampus.org/blog/2011/12/disgusting-uvm-fraternity-questionnaire-sparks-outrage/comment-page-1/#comment-70287</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t even about a rape joke. It&#039;s a complete unawareness that if you can answer that question with anything other than &quot;no one&quot; you have the mentality of a rapist. Who would I rape if I could? I know that I *could* rape anyone. The important thing is that I WOULDN&#039;T. Not because I &quot;can&#039;t&quot; but because rape is reprehensible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t even about a rape joke. It&#8217;s a complete unawareness that if you can answer that question with anything other than &#8220;no one&#8221; you have the mentality of a rapist. Who would I rape if I could? I know that I *could* rape anyone. The important thing is that I WOULDN&#8217;T. Not because I &#8220;can&#8217;t&#8221; but because rape is reprehensible.</p>
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